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house. the president has been answering a steady stream here of questions coming in online. the president is also upping the ante on republicans in congress to agree on a deal of cutting deficit by putting big entitlement programs like medicare on the table there. even before the president's event began a short time ago, house speaker john boehner fired off the following tweet, saying, quote, will you take job-destroying tax hikes off the table, end quote? how to add to the mood hanging over tomorrow's debt summit listen to this exchange between the leaders of both parties today. >> it's ludicrous for the administration to propose raising hundreds of billions in taxes at a time when 14 million americans are looking for work and job creators are struggling. does the president now think the economy is doing so well that unemployment is so low and economic so rapid that we can take billions of dollars away from these very same job creators? >> will we be the kind of country that protects tax breaks and giveaways for the richest
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corporations while sacrificing seniors and the middle class? that is the america my republican colleagues have proposed. >> luke russert joins from us capitol hill. the president says he hopes everyone will leave the politics and the ideology at the door. do you think he has any chance, any chance here that that will actually happen? >> reporter: well, certainly not on its face, richard. we heard from eric cantor today as well as steny hoyer, two of the eight who will actually be in that meeting tomorrow, and they both said they are going to essentially stick to their principles what. you're having now is really deep negotiations going on between the staffs of a few people up here on capitol hill. harry reid, mitch mcconnell, speaker boehner and president obama. specifically the most important of that small group is when it comes down to the big two, obama and boehner and what they are negotiating on. in terms of reaching a debt limit deal, there are a few things. one, they have to figure out how much they will cut from domestic spending and how much they will cut from defense spending.
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we've heard 1.4 trillion to somewhere between -- all the way up to 4 trillion cut. we're hearing it will most likely be in the 2 trillion or below range in terms of full-on cuts, and what about the deal in terms of taxes? republicans said they will not agree to any tax increases. we saw a little bit of daylight there. eric cantor, who said he had been negotiating with vice president biden for the last six weeks, left the talks a few weeks ago, said, look, we'd be open to the tax cuts the president talked about in terms of corporate jets and yachts if it can be offset somewhere else. where exactly can you hide these tax offsets? essentially, all right, republicans might agree to some sort of end to loopholes and tax breaks, but they have to be offset somewhere else. where can you hide it within that big type of compromise and the thing is in agricultural subsidies, possibly in terms of restructuring federal workers retirement accounts, things of that nature. that's really what we're in now, richard. the nuts and bolts of how do you
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hide things that have aloud for spending cuts but not so egregious to the polarizing left and rights of both parties. >> nbc's luke russert, thanks for that. as we move closer to the august 2nd deadline, president obama is making it clear he has no interest to a short-term solution to the nation's debt problems. >> i've heard reports that there may be some in congress who want to do just enough to make sure that america avoids defaulting on our debt in the short term but then wants to kick the can down the road when it comes to solving the larger problem of our deficit. i don't share that view. >> how did house speaker john boehner respond to that? with this statement saying, quote, i'm happy to discuss these issues at the white house, but these discussions will be fruitless until the president recognizes economic and legislative reality. nbc's kristen welker is live at the white house with more on this for us. kristen, you know, the president also had a twitter conference today, as we've been mentioning
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so far this hour. what did he say about this debate on that subject? >> reporter: well, right. they actually played speaker boehner's tweet at the twitter town hall which essentially talked about did president obama make a mistake in terms of the bailouts or president obama defending his economic policies, and he really is holding his ground saying, look, you know. we are prepared to make cuts in domestic spending and in terms of other types of spending here, and entitlements, especially entitlements, medicare and medica medicaid. that has been one of the big talking points here. that's one of the things that he is going to offer tomorrow potentially in all of those congressional lawmakers meet here at the white house, but that's going to be the big question mark. how are they going to get republicans to come to the table, to roll back those tax breaks that you just heard luke talking about for wealthier americans and for larger corporations? so that's really the big
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question mark here. but, again, president wants to see a big deal get done, and by big he would like to see about $2 trillion. that's a figure that we're hearing in cuts over the next 2e7b yea ten years or so. >> thanks so much, kristen welker at the white house. a preview of tomorrow. has it all come down to a game of chicken between the president and the congress as we head into next year's election or can the two parties come together in a rare bipartisan effort to actually do what's right for the country? ezra klein is columnist for the "washington post." you've been watching this twitter conference, this news briefing that we've been watching, all the questions coming to the president, and you noticed one question you were watching. >> a fascinating one from nick kristof at the "new york times," and he laid out basically an alternative reality which is what if the debt ceiling had been raised in the tax deal. people were arguing the president should have done that. the tax dealincreased the deficit by $850 billion. it was a moment in which the
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administration had real leverage on the republicans. the republicans may not want to raise the debt ceiling, but they did want to cut and raise the bush cuts. we couldn't have a tax increase at that point in the economy, and we got extra stimulus, but today it looks like we'll have a very, very dramatic contractionary spending cuts for not making the deal back then. a little bit of a hard one to go back and justify to see what they are likely to get out of this negotiation. >> part of this, and you just recently wrote on this, and that has to do with the do-nothing congress and you looked over the span of time what might happen if the congress does nothing here. >> right. the bush tax cuts expire if you do nothing, should have expired in 2010 and now expire in 2012. the bush administration set them up like that so they can use a reconciliation process which gave them 51 votes, but if they expire, you see taxes increase by 4 trillion to 5 drill conn in ten years, plus a couple other changes from congress doing
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nothing in medicare and domestic discretionary spending basically balance the budget. the only reason it isn't balanced is cbo expects congress to make all sorts of votes to increase the deficit and the question congress is making is whether or not they will make counteracting votes that spring it back down. >> a part of this discussion and this debate is how active or inactive the president has been in this process, and he has said congress needs to make the first move. what do you say? >> congress is the only one who can pass it in the end. they have been active in recent months. they have been having negotiations. eric cantor and jon kile walk out of negotiations with joe biden. the second round is a bit of a sham, nobody's position has moved and it has a lot to do with the white house wanting to show clearly ant correctly that they are the ones reaching out. but at this point i don't think there's a whole lot more that the president could be doing. both parties are basically positioning themselves for the day when the actual consequences of not raising the debt ceiling begin to manifest and public pressure or market pressure
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mounts forcing one side or the other to break. >> talk about consequences. if the republicans here agree to even modest tax increases, even by letting the bush tax cuts expire as you were just mentioning, will they have to pay the piper later on, come 2012? >> they have very, very difficult intirnl party politics. raising taxes on the rich is most popular thing you can do on the deficit. poll after poll shows as long as my taxes aren't going up that's a good way but for john boehner may not keep his speakership and mitch mcconnell would face a very strong challenge from the jim demint wing of the party. the republican leadership, due to the tea party influence, are running scared from anything that looks like they are selling out on anything they promised in 2010. >> and the president, medicare reforms that he's put on the table, how might that come back to bite him? >> medicare reforms, they are pushing these out but they have been on the table for a while. his april speech, not any real evidence he's propoeing anything
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he's said before, taken the slew of stories about medicare and medicaid cuts as evidence that the white house mounting a pretty successful pr campaign to show how much they are putting on the table in comparison to the republicans who are frankly putting so little on the table. it's much more about showing they are willing to compromise and the republicans aren't as opposed to some break in what they are willing to offer up in this deal. >> ezra klein, thank you. a reminder with martin enjoying a well-deserved vacation this week, ezra will be back later in the show to deliver his very own clear the air. stick around for that. that's coming up very shortly. next for you. god and politics, michele bachmann, rick perry and the role of the religious right in the presidential race. an ingredient that works more naturally with your colon than stimulant laxatives, for effective relief of constipation without cramps. thanks. good morning, students. today we're gonna continue...
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apartment darling and minnesota congresswoman michele bachmann may be the most interesting in the republican
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2012 field. she also may be most religious. the pulpit is a popular place for bachman, a conservative lutheran who is sharing her story of spiritual awakening with u.s. voters as she did sunday at a church in iowa. >> it was in 1972 on november 1st when i bowed my knee and gave my heart to jesus christ, when i recognized that as the bible says all have sinned, all have fallen short, all need a savior, and i came to the realization that even though i thought i was a nice person i wasn't doing drugs, i wasn't wild, i wasn't drinking. it didn't matter. i was a sinner. i needed a savior. >> now, bachmann is staunchly anti-abortion and sharing a personal anecdote about a miskashlg she suffered. she's an outspoken critic of gay marriage as is her husband who once compared homosexuals to
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barbians who needed to be disciplined on a christian radio show. leaders of the christian right are reluctant to embrace bachmann at this moment and will get behind texas governor rick per fehe enters the race. on august 6th perry will host an all-day prayer event in houston called the response. to talk about faith in politics in the 2012 race we welcome political commentator, blogger and author of the new book "sex, mom & god," how the bible's strange take on sex led to crazy politics and how i learned to love women and jesus anyway. that's the title. frank, thanks for dropping by today. >> thanks, richard. >> frank, you know, as americans and really republican primary voters get to know michele bachmann a little bit more each and every year, will her faith be an asset going forward, do you think, to the election or a liability here? >> it will be a liability with the general public when they learn how radical she is. she comes from a wing. evangelical movement where takes the bible literally, and that
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includes the old testament that has passages about stoning gay people to death and all the rest of it, and, of course, michele bachmann, like sarah palin and others on the far religious right is too politically safe toe express clearly what she believes, but the fact of the matter is the part of christianity she comes from is radical even for evangelical bible believers, and so i think -- i think gradually it will become apparent to american voters that she could not win the general election, and republicans are going to have to make a choice to either be a normal political party or really theocracy in waiting with people like michele bachmann who in the best of all possible world, as far as she would see it, would produce a theocracy in the country where the bible would be paramount and no longer the constitution of the bill of rights. >> as we see the tea party energy continuously grow in the gop, do you find that in the primary then that she will have some attraction, that she will generate a lot of momentum? >> yeah. i mean, you know, you mentioned
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my book "section, mom & god" and one of the things i talk about is charting the course of the religious right from their beginnings in the 1980s with the anti-abortion movement that my family had something to do with to the present, and the fact of the matter is they have always engaged in these culture war topics when it comes to primary voters, this small core of hard right religious voters, and then they have to change later, but you've got to understand something, and that is that michele bachmann and the others on the far right of the republican party have moved the whole party so far right that they are no longer a normal political party. they are out of the mainstream to the extent that she represents a fringe. the problem is that fringe controls the nomination process in the primaries, and you have to understand that the liability they run is that when the general public gets a look at this, they are going to run a long way away, so that's the bind they are in, appeal to the fringe in the primaries or the
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general population. >> now, frank, your father was a writer, a theologian. bachmann or the bachmann family reportedly looking towards his writings. >> right. >> so there is a link here, at least to your family's background, and you self-describe yourself as one of the founders of the religious right to what she's thinking and what she's doing today. >> yeah. and i got out obviously, and the story of why i got out in "sex, mom & god" is very clear. these people hate the united states as it is. they life a fictional united states of america that does not include gay people, does not have choice and abortion rights for women and all the rest of this, but in terms of the real america, inclusive, diverse and sustaining of gay people as well as heterosexuals and so forth, this is an america they despise and that's why they talk in terms of taking it back, from whom? that would be from the rest of us, ordinary american citizens under the rule of law. >> hate is a pretty strong word
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here. these certainly are citizens of the united states and so far given what they have said and done. >> sure. >> have not expressed hatred towards the united states. >> well, you know, when you -- you mentioned her husband talking about gay people being barbarians, and if you look, for instance, at sarah palin's family, they have had a lot to do with the secessionist movement in alaska. you're not part of a movement that wants to secede from the union in the united states if you like this country. folks like michele bachmann wrap themselves in the flag, but when push comes to shove, their religious values, theocratic values, they are not talking about the same america the rest of us are looking at, and the irony is when they get elected or famous in their politics, when republicans actually come into office, the only people they actually serve is wall street, and -- and -- and so really the social issues are a red herring because they may get the votes of a certain portion of america, mostly white, middle and lower white americans in the
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right wing of christianity, but when they get into office what happens, de-funding education, tax cuts for the wealthy, narrowing the public space and, unfortunately, they take advantage of a lot of well-meaning people who vote for them on social issues they care passionately about. when they get into power, it's all about wall street and they wouldn't let the kind of people vote for them caddy for them on their golf link. >> frank, got to go, but i do want to mention rick perry because we've had the introduction very quickly. he also has support from the religious right, conservative right. would he not be a good possibility here to move towards a primary? >> look, any guy that starts a national run by calling a prayer meeting and mixing the issues of church and state as he has in texas is someone who has his eye on this little group, but i say one more time just before we go. it's total hypocrisy because these people know that group helps them win the primary but when the republicans get into office it's about serving corporate wall street interests. it has nothing to do with the social agenda they get elected
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on so it's a scam, but it's a scam that keeps working. 40 years of republican domination of the american political process based on abortion, gay rights and these other things they wave around, but actually it's really about corporate america. >> frank schaefer, thank you so much, self-described as the founder of the religious right but quickly took that back is what the cover of your book says. thanks so much. >> thanks a lot. next, is the circus almost over? in less than 24 hours she could be a free woman. the latest on casey anthony when we come back. time for the your business strur of the week. mark and jennifer bitterman were riding through france when they had a great meal and discovered it was due to a special salt that was used them. brought it back and sold it in their portland, oregon, store the meadow. word of mouth brought in customers and famous chefs and an expansion to new york city.
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with tuesday's not guilty verdict on murder charges behind her, casey anthony could be a free woman in a matter of days, if not hours. millions riveted by every twist in her case will now turn her attention back to the courtroom when the 25-year-old will learn her fate tomorrow morning on
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misdemeanor charges of lying. and the prosecutor in the case commenting this morning on nbc's "today" show says we may never have complete closure. >> do you think we'll ever know what happened to caylee anthony? >> no, we never will. we never will, because even if -- even if casey got out of jail and wrote a book and said it, i don't know that any of us would really know if we could believe it or not. >> so many questions are out there right now. after that embrace and the verdict was read yesterday, three accounts, the three major counts she was acquitted on, the four misdemeanor charges she was found guilty on, tomorrow we'll find out if she will serve more jail time or be released. nbc's kerry sanders joins us live from orlando. yesterday, when you and i were talking it was pandemonium on the courthouse steps. were there any supporters of the verdict? >> reporter: one sole supporter out there. not so much supporting casey
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anthony but supporting the process of the presentation of the information in the courtroom and saying that he believed that the system works, and so the information provided to the jury was fair and their verdict needed to be accepted. you know, you talked about the crowd out there. we were talking this time yesterday, and there was a lot of shouting and anger, and the real concern is th focus that folks have here is tomorrow when casey anthony comes into court. not the arrival but rather the possibility of a departure, because as you just noted, she could potentially be released for time served. she was convicted on four misdmoenor counts which means that potentially she could get a sentence of less than four years. she's already spent almost three years in jail, and so it's very common for a judge to say time served. you can leave, and so she would then have to leave the courthouse. they do have some plans for security, if that does happen, but the real concern, of course,
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is where does she go from there? richard? >> kerry sanders in florida. we, of course, will be talking to you tomorrow when that does happen. thank you. reminder, tomorrow morning casey anthony will be formally sentenced as we were just talking about. chris jansing will get immediate reaction from casey anthony prosecutor jeff ashton on "jansing & co" at 10:00 a.m. eastern. exxon mobil and a slow response that could have spoiled one america's most beautiful places. new citracal slow release... continuously releases calcium plus d for the efficient absorption my body needs. citracal. there's another way to minimize litter box odor: purina tidy cats. tidy cats premium line of litters now works harder
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 ...was it something big? ...or something small? ...something old? ...or something new? ...or maybe, just maybe... it's something you haven't seen yet. the 2nd generation of intel core processors. stunning visuals, intelligent performance. this is visibly smart. we're following a developing story and a possible new kind of terrorism involving surgically implanting bombs into passengers who fly. government officials caution there is no indication of an immediate plot, but this new intelligence could lead to heightened screening procedures at the nation's airports. nbc news justice correspondent pete williams joins us live from washington with these new developments. pete, thanks for joining us. surgically implanted bombs, wow.
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>> reporter: right, richard. what the officials say is that they have discovered intelligence that al qaeda operatives in yemen have been talking about this and doing more than just talking about it, trying to find doctors, they say, who would be willing to perform these operations. they would be in essence suicide bombers, bomb components surgically implanted in them and then they would try to get on board flights to the u.s. and at some point on board the plane they would try to detonate the material that had been surgically implanted in them, possibly by injecting themselves with some kind of a detonator which would cause whatever inside them to go off. now they say they stress here, rich, as you have, that there's no actual plot that's been discovered, nothing operational. no indication that someone is actually currently trying to do this but the intelligence is credible enough that represents an evolution in the threat, if
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you will, that they wanted to pass it on to those airports who have flights coming into the u.s. and those airlines who carry passengers into the u.s. that's what the intelligence suggests, that someone would try this on a flight coming oversees. they are urging those airports and airlines to step up their level of security, although they are quite candid in saying there's no single piece of technology that could detect this material if it was successfully implanted in people. >> with that latest development for us, appreciate it. >> you bet. now to an environmental crisis in america's pristine wilderness is and we're learning that it took exxon mobil nearly twice as long as it took to fully seal a ruptured pipeline that spilled about 1,000 barrels of crude oil into the yellowstone river. federal documents show the pipeline was not shut down for an hour after the break on friday. that's longer than the half hour that company officials originally claimed, and that's not the first clarification that the company has been forced to
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make about the spill and its impact. exxon mobil also forced to admit that oil from the pipeline could extend well beyond the ten-mile stretch of the river it initially said was affected. transportation officials said tuesday oil was spotted 240 miles downstream. five days after that spill, exxon still has not found what caused it. officials say the river has been flowing too swiftly for crews to reach some areas but the response so far limited to eight miles of boom and if the extent of the response seems frustrating from the most profitable company on earth, by the way, a company that makes $5 million in profit every hour this past year, well, montana governor saying there he's going to stay on them like smell on a skunk. >> the cleanup will be the state of mon, the people of montana and the wildlife of montana in that yellowstone river decide
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that cleanup is done. it won't be decided by exxon mobil or bureaucrats in washington, d.c. when we decide the cleanup is done, it's done. i'm the only soil scientist in america that's a governor, and i'll going to be on this like smell on a skunk until it's fixed. >> let's bring in friends of the president eric peak from washington. when you take a look at what's been deployed so far, absorbant pads and boom as well and skimmers being used in inland as well as at sea before, but in this case from what you know are they moving fast enough given how much oil is out there? >> no, richard, thanks for having me on. exxon mobil is absolutely not moving fast enough t.tock them twice the amount of time to shut the spill off, let alone getting the right mileage, and it's ten miles, 25 miles, now 240 miles and 8 miles of boom. exxon mobil is ill-prepared for this oil spill. >> they do have hundreds of workers up there. is that not sufficient? >> i don't think it's sufficient
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right now. i mean, they can't get to some of these areas because of the rising waters and because of the floods coming from the snow pack, so, you know, we may have a lot of workers out there, but the technology that they are using to clean up this spill is the same technology that they were using in 1969 when we had some of the oil spills out in california, so this is the richest company in the world using oil spill technology that is at least 40 years old. >> unfortunately, we've asked this request before. what should they be doing then? >> well, first, you know, they -- we need to get our country off of oil, and that's -- that's first and foremost. i think president obama with his fuel economy standards is trying to get us there. second, you know, the federal government needs to increase regular laying. it's absolutely abysmal that exxon mobil, this pipeline, you know, had some warnings, but it's actually up to code about it comes to federal safety standards, and the fact that it's up to code and we still have a spill is an outrage. >> federal regulators warned
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exxon there could be trouble with this so there may not be surprise that we're seeing this today. >> exxon was warned last year that, a, the emergency response was going to be really slow, b, that there's going to be corrosion, potential corrosion damage because this pipeline was buried so shallow undernote the yellowstone river and, c, they were warned that they had bad maps and bad diagrams about where the shutoff valves were at. this was predicted. the federal government warned exxon mobil about this. everything exxon was supposedly a good player and fixed this up, but it just goes -- the pipeline industry is fairly unregulated. >> you also are bringing up the bigger picture, if you will, and one of those issues are certain tax credits, certain benefits at the moment, breaks that oil companies do take benefit of. is that something that -- something that democrats in this particular situation want to end, the republicans want them to continue? what's your take? >> we should be absolutely
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removing every single tax break that is in the tax code for the oil companies, and this interview alone, you said $5 million an hour. that's $83,000 a minute in profit that these oil companies are making. that's almost $350,000 by the time you and i stop talking. it's outrageous that these guys are getting these subsidies and there's a likelihood they will be able to write off the cleanup of this spill off their taxes as a classic business deduction. >> supporters of it will say most of the money goes to entrepreneurial ven towers that are used for the large companies, in the large companies, and if you're to remove them or move them to another place, that you are taking away that creativity that may help to battle some of these problems. >> i don't know where the creativity is at right now. exxon mobil is using technology that's 40 years old to clean up this spill. there is no technology -- technological innovation that's occurring, at least on the stuff we care about, which is how to clean these spills up, and there's another point. the yellowstone could be under assault by another pipeline and
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this is the keystone assault pipeline which would ship dangerous tar sands from alberta, canada, to texas. >> erich pica with friends of the earth, thank you for your time. coming up, will the case against dominique strauss-kahn continue? stay with us. in companies embracing the cloud-- big clouds, small ones, public, private, even hybrid. your data and apps must move easily and securely to reach many clouds, not just one. that's why the network that connects, protects, and lets your data move fearlessly through the clouds means more than ever.
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with $4.5 trillion in possible spending cuts on the table, almost nothing in the federal government can now be considered truly sacred, but perhaps one future museum should be. this year on 9/11 we'll see the opening of the highly anticipated memorial at ground zero. in 2012 a subterranean museum is
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set to open at the site, and there's controversy surrounding that right now. for a while the memorial itself will be free. permanent funds will be needed to cover the museum's yearly costs, an estimated $60 million a year. lobbyists are pushing to get an annual federal donation. however, if washington says no, a fee or suggested donation might be put in place for entry. a fee of around $25 per visit. now, one man that is angry over this is retired fdny deputy chief jim riches who lost his fire fighter son jim jr. on 9/11. i'm pleased to say he joins us now. thank you, jim, for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> when you heard about the revenue problem are and they look forward to possibly charging for entry into this museum, what was your reaction? >> i was outraged. gettysburg doesn't charge to get in. we have a place of remembrance, and they are touring it into a
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tourist attraction. a $60 million year operating budget is absurd. they should cut the fat from there. there's 14 million people unemployed, and they want this museum for the rich and privileged and not for everyone? that's not what the intention was. >> you brought it up. some of the statistics right here, jim. part of the outcry coming from the fact that the memorial paying 16 of its 87 employees over $100,000 a year, and its head, according to what we understand is over $370,000. that's how much the manager of this museum will be making. is that just too much in your opinion? you said you're absolutely against that. is there a way of reducing that cost? >> they should reduce t.10% of the budget is salaries. that's $6 million. i think it's absurd. this is supposed to be a non-profit. seems like all the non-profits are made where the people draw large salaries, and i think it's absurd. kids collecting money and pennies in school to make donations. the museum now has $500 million
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in donations and $150 million in cash. there's no reason to charge people $25 to get in and pay respects. >> you want to pay respects because of your son as well as other fire fighters that you served alongside with. tell us about that. >> yeah. i was down there digging up all the body parts down there from september 11th until the very end, and now they told us that they are going to bring the body parts back and put them in the basement of the museum, when we were told in the beginning they would be separate and distinct when we were told there would be a tomb of the unknown. not happy about that. should send a letter out to the families. they haven't done it. freedom of information act, trying to have them forced to do it. we have a 1-year-old who was on the plane, you'll never know. we think people should see on the wall what's going to be. this is a 95% museum and 5% memorial. >> as we look forward to that ten-year remembrance, what is it that you're most concerned
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about? you're worried about commercialization obviously. what would be your words to those who are thinking perhaps having some profit related to what will be happening. >> yeah. it was the biggest national tragedy of that day in american history. now i've got to walk into the museum and there's a gift shop as soon as i walk in, selling t-shirts, cups, books. i mean, what they yelled at the vendors for doing, they are doing the same thing and i don't know how they don't realize that. supposed to be so smart. i think they should sit down, sit back and i think make some cuts because all of america is going through a lot of cuts right now, and i think a $400,000 salary, you're not worth that. i don't care what you do, and $60 million a year, they can cut it and come back and let everybody come in and see this museum the way it's supposed to be. it's supposed ton an american national museum, not just for the rich and $25 is a lot of money for all families. >> we all hope there's a solution that everybody will agree to that is made there. thank you so much, jim. >> thank you for having me.
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>> deplorable and unacceptable, the words used by rupert murdoch in regards to recent allegations of phone hacking and making payments to police by the tabloid paper "news of the world" published by news international, a linchpin of murdoch's global news empire. it's believed "news of the world" hacked into a number of different phones from celebrities to political figures. worse, they have been accused of interfering with police investigations into the search for millie dower and two other girls all found murdered in 2002. with more on this growing scandal we're joined by nbc's michelle kasinski? >> each though the knowledge of the practice has been around since 2005, allegations surrounding members of the royal household, other celebrities, thought their phones might be tapped and shortly after that
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time two people associated with the paper did prison time for that. they admitted guilt. the newspaper apologized for hacking into certain celebrities' voice mails but limit it had to other cases. other civil suits against the paper. they paid out some huge settlements, and it kind of ended there, but just recently in the last year or so new allegations have been coming out that possibly thousands of british citizens had had their voice mails hacked into. what was really the last straw over the last two days is the allegation now that child murder victims, victims on the july 7th, 2005 bombings in london, families of those victims, may have had their voice mails hacked, may have been listened in on, and in the case of the child murder victim, this one 13-year-old millie, she was abducted and murdered back in 2002. the allegation is that the newspaper hacked into her voice mail highly show was still missing, deleted some of her voice mails as her mailbox filled up, and at the same time that gave her family false hope
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that she was still alive. that's what what really set eve off today. everyone from family of the victims, to the prime minister, who called for an investigation not only into this practice allegedly by the news of the world, but into why police in the early investigations did not find out more, richard. >> michelle cosince can i, thank you. they have just wrapped up the meeting on the sexual assault kay. the case appears ton falling apart. the case was thrown into jeopardy when prosecutors discovered his accuser lied to emthem and the grand jury last industry, a judge released strauss-kahn from house arrest and lifted restrictive bail conditions. now there's some speculation he may go free. we're joined by susan fallon.
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what do you think here, with the accuser admitting to lying to the grand jury, it seems the case is over, that the prosecutors have dropped this? >> yeah, it's just a question of time. this case is now unsustainable, which isn't to say no criminal activity took place, but we will never know. this accuser's credibility is so compromised. it would be tough for the prosecution to proceed. based on what we know, do you think it would be in his best interest to try to cop a plea here? >> it depends to what. if the prosecution's offering misdemeanor charges, it's possible, but i think now it's a giant game of chicken.
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the defense knows he has the prosecution on the ropes, and the prosecution knows they have a high-profile person they're prosecuting. of course they would like a misdemeanor plea to get the egg off their face, which i don't blame them for having. i don't think they did anything improper. i think the case just fell apart. i don't think dominique strauss-kahn would plead guilty until these circumstances. he's in a better position to take this to a jury trial, though he does risk the wrath of perhaps an unfair conviction. we now know that juries are capable of anything. >> anything. susan, very quickly, before we go, there's another case of another making claims in france. >> no. no the i've got to tell you that i think women coming forward will be held to such a higher standard, and this woman is probably in the category of someone who is coming out of the weirdwork and her credibility
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has to be seriously questioned. that is a setback for women, but i think that's the reality of the fallout from this case. when you're saying here in the united states there will be no effect there? >> none. >> so we have some time now. we've got almost two weeks here where dominique strauss-kahn and his lawyers will be doing something. >> mind year ps and qs, behave, act with the confidence you've got acting with and just sit tight. the prosecution is now scrambling. my guess is they're investigating the accuser. case was originally david versus go lie@, and david was taken seriously. i think goliath will now turn on david. >> a countersuit programs. susan filan, always a pleasure. thank you so much. >> you bet. es ra klein returns. stick around. nerist night elixi. its gentle glycolic formula resurfaces at night
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imezra klein sitting in for martin into slir. it's time do clear the air. the congress is on pace to be the least productive in american history. kathleen hennessey at the "los angeles times" reports as measures by votes taken, bills made into laws and nominees approved, this is underperforming the do-nothing congress. congratulations, you're making history by not making laws. this comes at a time when there's quite a lot to be done. washington may have forgotten about the job crisis. climbed change may be controversial among the republican party, but virtually undisputed among scientists, but perhaps the place where the do-nothing instinct could help a bit, the deficit. if congress does nothing literally, if it raises the debt ceiling and goes home tomorrow, the budget basically balances over the next ten years. that happens for a few reasons, the bigs by far being the bush tax cuts expire in 2012.
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in one fell swoop, that cuts the deficit by more than 12 trillion. remember when someone says washington has a spending problem and in no way has a taxing problem. medicare takes deep cuts. health care form and all of the cost controls go into effect and congress freezes growth in discretionary spending. now, that is what happens if they do nothing at all, which raises the question, why does everybody think we have these giant deficits stretching? the depressings an is that the congressional budget office and nonpartisan numbers guys don't expect congress to do nothing. they expect it to do lots of things, most of them on the national credit card. in the most recent long-term budget book, they included a chart making their point. as you can see, the bottom line is do nothing. it remains relatively steady. the dotted line, the one going up, up, up, that's what the cbo
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actually expects happen. the bush tax cuts are extended forever and congress doesn't pay for them. the cost controls in the health care law are ignored or repealed and congress doesn't pay for those, or they could adopt a new rule. they could become the do no marm congress. that means they could extend the tax cuts, but only if they pay for them. this kell change the health law, but only if they offset the cost, because if they're not going to do all that much to make the country better, the least they can do is avoid masse it leg. matt miller is in for dylan ratigan. take it away. >> ezra klein, what a pleasure to see you, and what glaet idea, go home and balance the budget. plus governor brian schweitzer on the mess in montana. show starts right now.

Martin Bashir
MSNBC July 6, 2011 3:00pm-4:00pm EDT

News/Business. Journal Martin Bashir uncovers some of the world's biggest breaking news stories. New.

TOPIC FREQUENCY Exxon Mobil 9, Michele Bachmann 7, Washington 7, Casey Anthony 6, Montana 4, Exxon 4, Bachmann 4, Texas 3, Dominique Strauss-kahn 3, Boehner 3, John Boehner 3, Obama 3, New Zealand 2, Mitch Mcconnell 2, Rick Perry 2, Mom & God 2, Jim 2, France 2, Kristen Welker 2, Luke Russert 2
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